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  1. § Jan Email said on :
    So, who will plunk down $400K for a 900 square foot apartment? In meetings, representatives from Liberty Forge have admitted that the pricing for their proposed condos is based on covering the exorbitant costs involved in building the proposed development, including the cost of running public water to the site. That's not a good business model - pricing should be done by analyzing the market for a particular housing type and setting a competitive price. The prices proposed by Liberty Forge are not competitive. Check out the Central PA multi-list - houses in this area selling for $650K are big - 4500 sq. ft on half acre lots. Average price of a condo here is under $150K. You have to look in the Philly area to find condos priced at the level Liberty Forge proposes.

    Liberty Forge's numbers are based on nothing but hope - they have admitted they have no data to support the assumption that underlies their rosy fiscal impact analysis. The commissioners should save Liberty Forge from itself and reject the proposed conservation park overlay.
  2. § Dan Olson Email said on :
    I am continued to be amazed at how transportation is an afterthought or a "neverthought" in Central PA. I grew up in a larger, more progressive metropolitan area that never allowed projects like this to break ground until money was secured for infrastructure improvements.

    Amazinggly, here we find little issue with trying to decide on adding 500-600 units off of a skinny 2-lane road BEFORE knowing anything about how the road can be or would be improved. Wow.

    It's about as smart as pumping 25 gallons into your car that only holds 12 gallons. It doesn't fit and it's too expensive.
  3. § Dan Olson Email said on :
    One concern I didn't think of earlier: Liberty Forge isn't too smart. They don't understand the market. With the golf course, they built a beautiful course for a MARKET THAT DOESN'T EXIST. It's an expensive executive course. If you know anything about golfers, anyone willing to pay top dollar for golf does not want to play an executive course - they want a regulation length golf course. Exectuive courses are for beginners and seniors - they want cheap golf course. That's why it failed.

    Similarly, the proposal for $600,000 condos in LAT would foster about 10 buyers maybe - Not 500 or 600 buyers. Again, the plan os for a MARKET THAT DOES NOT EXIST.

    There's a danger to LAT if "the build it and no one comes."
  4. § Nina Email said on :
    As one who attended this meeting as well as many others over the last year, I think it is clear that the majority of residents who live in and around Liberty Forge are not in favor of the overlay nor the development plans. I hope the commissioners are listening and not being swayed by unsubstantiated figures of revenue. The housing market is in a crisis. What is not needed in Lisburn are more "white elephants" on the market.
    The bottom line is this "overlay" would change the existing zoning to accomodate and increase the financial well being of one individual. I don't care to help that happen.
  5. § Bob Schell Email said on :
    If I were to ignore the fact that once again, the area residents had to leave their homes and families to attend yet another meeting taken up with the foolishness we all have come to know as the Village at Liberty Forge, and to once again voice their opposition to the Emporer's new clothes and his vision of his Legacy, then I would be left with little more than the same amusement as Dan Olson mentioned.
    How was the forecast of future tax revenue for the township, based on a median $650,000. price tag for a 900 - ? sq. ft. unit in a 75' high building actually put forth with a straight face? My family contracted to purchase our home in 2006, when average home values were 25+ % higher. A 22 year old 4 bedroom custom built home on 5 beautifully landscaped and wooded acres was the same price. Hmmm---, maybe we should have waited for the 900 square feet in the high rise ??? Gorgeous homes that were on the market then, more than 2 years ago, are still unsold, and offered at about half the price . Boy oh boy, that must be an impressive studio, sorry, LUXURY studio apartment that you get for $650,000. How on earth can you present estimated future tax revenue based on such nonsense?
    Further comedic highlights from the meeting included:
    92 single family homes seen as a 'negative' as compared to 582 (?) units, a continued care residence, commercial business, pro shops, etc. ~
    That's of course assuming all 92 acres are suitable for building- not likely either

    Here's a good one--- a commercial business, a golf course, a chemical soaked tract of land, privately owned and operated for profit is (maintain serious facial expression)
    'open GREEN space' ROFLMAO !!!

    What we should be discussing at these meetings is how is it that water from the Yellow Breeches is allowed to be diverted to that property, only to become chemical runoff back into our water table ?!?!?
  6. § Linda Centre Email said on :
    While I realize the township is looking for ways to increase their revenue by changing the rules for R-2, may I respectively remind everyone that there comes a time to stop spending money and to cut spending and look for ways to do more with less. No new taxes and this means no increase in realestate taxes. It menas no more building brick and stone township buildings when cinder block would work just as well. I am sure you realize that the new township building is better than most people's homes in the township. It means not changing the rules for R-2 at the expense of the people who built and invested in their homes and properties for the very reasons that R-2 presently provides.

    Generating more and more Money cannot be the root of all decisions. Everyone in this township has a budget, fat or lean and they must live withing that budget. It is time that someone take a hard look at the township budget and make decisions for the people and not the township purse.

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